Tech overload alert!
This is a purely techie post intended for those considering building a
V8 Miata and will have no entertainment value at all.
As people ask me questions about how I did this or that I
have noticed I keep saying “if I was to do it again I would have…” So I thought I would crunch all those thoughts
down into a post.
Yeah that little bit of rust and all those door dings are
a much bigger deal than you think it will be. First up I would have started with a clean car. It makes no sense to put hundreds of hours
and 10 grand into a car that needs a bunch of body work. It is far cheaper and easier to start with a
good clean car than to do body work or fix rust. If I was smart I would have bought a clean
car, swapped the engine and suspension from it into Jenna to use a daily driver
and converted the clean Miata.
Kits are grossly overrated and grossly overpriced. The common perception is parts made from Flyin Miata, Monster Miata or
V8 Roadsters are better than DIY because they have made hundreds of them and
they are proven to work. I thought that too going in and depending on the skill level of the fabricator that might
be true. However if I was to do it again I
would not buy any kit parts except maybe the axles. Let me give
you a breakdown of some of the common kit parts.
V8R subframe is $1280 shipped. If you going to buy any part this is the one because it is the most complicated one in the build. But you have the pattern with the stock engine cradle and it's not hard to make a plywood V8 to use for a mock up. I could have made the engine mount for $150 in steel and motor mounts and put that extra grand to much better use.
All the kit makers have the same type transmission mounts which is a couple feet of 1x2 with a pipe cut in half welded in the middle. They are priced around $400 but I built a far better mount for 45 bucks in steel, paint and a new Fbody trans rubber mount.
Monster Miata diff mount was $450 and sorry Martin but it
is a stupid design. I could have easily
made a much better mount for 65 bucks including all new poly bushings.V8R subframe is $1280 shipped. If you going to buy any part this is the one because it is the most complicated one in the build. But you have the pattern with the stock engine cradle and it's not hard to make a plywood V8 to use for a mock up. I could have made the engine mount for $150 in steel and motor mounts and put that extra grand to much better use.
All the kit makers have the same type transmission mounts which is a couple feet of 1x2 with a pipe cut in half welded in the middle. They are priced around $400 but I built a far better mount for 45 bucks in steel, paint and a new Fbody trans rubber mount.
Flyin Miata Clutch kit was $260 and the same parts from Speedway or Summit is $120 but you would have to make a simple adaptor to bolt it in.
Flyin Miata V8 radiator is a whopping $950! Lots of options here but the the LS swap radiator I used from Griffin was $270. It is part # 8-00009-LS designed for a Chevelle but if you bend the mounts to 90 degrees it works fine in the Miata.
There are more but you get the point.
Now there is no question building these parts is more work and generally the resale value of kit bought parts is higher than DIY, but kit parts are NOT better than DIY from a decent fabricator. Actually just the opposite is true. Click the links for the best transmission mount and the best diff mount I have ever seen and both are DIY made. V8R, Flying Miata and Boss Frog are just normal guys in a garage building parts same as you and I.
Deadlines are satins idea and not good for you. Most guys that build these cars are goal orientated males
that envision themselves tooling down a windy country back road with a hot babe
and a cool exhaust note. Well I’m here
to tell you one of the biggest mistakes I made was setting and missing time goals for the build. It’s the wrong
focus that leads to corner cutting and feeling like a loser when you miss. There are so many things that are beyond your
control that impact the time line to build a car like this and virtually
everything takes longer than you think it will.
Savor the build process as
you would any once in a life time experience and remember it may take a year or
two to build but you will spend the next 5 to 50 years with that hot babe
enjoying the car.
Tips on planning and building your car. If you have gotten this far reading this I’m
going to assume you are serious about building a car and I would like to give
you a few general tips to make the process go better for you.
1 The old sayings around this subject are just as true as
they ever were. There is no replacement for displacement. You can have
reliability, tons of power or cheap pick any 2. And if the wife aint happy,
nobodys happy. 2 Marry well. If your wife doesn’t support this your build is doomed. Also if you have younger kids spend the time with them now while you can because I can tell you first hand it really stinks when they leave for college.
3 If #1 and #2 are not in good shape stop here, buy a sensible car, focus on what matters.
4 Planning is everything. Take at least a month and read every build thread you can and study the conversion web sites closely. I have yet to hear of any build costing what the builder expected it would so pay close attention to what parts are used so you can cost them in your plan. The big stuff is easy to figure but it's the dozen trips to pick up $20 items that eat you alive. As you weigh the decision to build factor in 30 to 50% more than you think it will cost to build your car and you will probably be about right. It's no fun having Visa own your build when it is done...
Also consider insurance for the car when it is done is rather tricky. See this post for info on that.
5 When you are confident you understand the process develop a build plan. The core of the plan should be a list of needed parts, tools and supplies in the order they will be needed. Consider carefully the lead time for parts in the sequence of the build. NAPA will have the new CV joints on the shelf but the custom axles could take months to get. It’s no fun overrunning your supply line and waiting for parts.
6 Get your shop ready. Now is the time to hang the extra lights and pick up the HD jack stands you have always wanted and don’t skimp on either of them. Also clean all the crap off your bench and from all the corners of the garage because you will have tons of parts to deal with. You are going to spend at least 200 hours on this so make your work space as comfortable and organized as possible.
7 Lay in supplies. It takes 5 rolls of electrical tape, 250 wire ties, 15 cans of brake clean, 1 roll of gaffers tape, 1 roll of masking or painters tape, 1 can of liquid wrench and a bag of floor dry to build a v8 miata. (note a 50/50 mix of ATF and Acetone works 3 times better than anything in a spray can like PB blaster or Liquid wrench) Also pick up a new set of safety glasses, another fire extinguisher and hearing protection. Beer, tea and piss bottle as necessary...
8 Stoke up the tool box. Beyond the obvious hand tools it is very helpful to some duplicates so you don’t waste time looking for tools. Assuming you already have a fairly complete set of hand tools I suggest you add:
3 each of wire cutter, LED pen light and utility knife. (Keep one set under the hood, one set inside the car and one set in your pocket)
2 each 10 mm combination wrench, 12mm combination wrench, 14mm combination wrench, 10 mm deep socket, 12mm deep socket, 14mm deep socket.
1 each 17mm combination wrench, 17mm deep socket, 13mm combination wrench, 15mm combination wrench, 13mm deep socket, 15mm deep socket
I have found the trick is to take the big picture view when I plan but when I head out to the shop just focus on one job at a time. When I don't the enormity of the project freezes my brain like a deer in the headlights every time. With so many systems and parts in process at once it is overwhelming but if I leave my to-do list in the house and just focus on one task in the shop I know exactly what to do next and how to proceed. So even though my list is huge it makes no difference because I only have one thing to work on tonight. And slowly but surely the day will come when that list is down to just a road test!
Remember as you go your build is not going to be amazing someday when you are done - it's amazing now!
10 Your camera is your friend. Take photos of EVERYTHING! Not just for the build thread but to see how it was before you messed with it. I can’t tell you how many times I went back to my photo file to see where that bracket went or how whatever tank bolted on. Yes you will think it is a waste of time and you will never look at a shot you are taking but trust me on this one you can't take too many photos as you go.
11 Be careful what you sell or toss. I went to my Camaro carcass more times than I could count for things I never dreamed I would need. Need a line for the overflow tank? No problem the Camaro fuel line is perfect. Need a heat shield? No problem the Camaro has tons of them. Need a longer 15mm bolt? You get the picture don’t clean out the parts pile till you have some miles on the build.
I hope this post has been beneficial to you as you consider your build process. When you get frustrated and down just remember this
